Zrcalo Has Gone Too Far, but Same With TransphobicLss

There has been some drama and serious stories involving someone known as Zrcalo (main name, I assume) and if I'm reading right, there has been exposure of such person as being into minors, doxxing victims, claims of supporting bad specific people, promoting suicide, and specific other bad stuff. There was also a part (but I don't think is enough as being a predator itself) where I hear there was "jokes" that went way beyond "Adult Swim" humor.

Here is an example video that addresses maybe some of his behavior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxFaDzCB7l0

A group account known as TransphobicLss has done some exposing about some of the behavior, and I can maybe be thankful to that as it can be important whenever a person is still a threat. I don't fully agree with everything, but that doesn't mean I have to dismiss everything about it because of so. I prefer to have my own opinions on this matter.

Despite some things, there are indeed moments where I find TransphobicLss going a bit too far at times and I think, TransphobicLss really should be criticized for some things. I unlikely mean to come at such group of people as some kind of typical "EXPOSURE" type treatment, but more of one of those civil criticisms to some of the things that brought to my attention. Note that I probably won't exactly try to address every disagreement (for example, I don't agree that it's wrong for the 18 year old "Shark" (Aiya mainly) to use a good account as a distraction away from animals, after all, how it's managed might be debatable), but I would rather focus on some dangerous arguments and with likely no date order.

In one main highlight, I find TransphobicLss does lead on to focusing too much that it leans to 'stalking' someone and at times try to expose some as way more bad as to what they really are, and while I don't know Aiya well, I did hear he's a teenager and I feel like 24-7 stalking of him might in itself be a form of abuse, and considering 18 is not a magic number for age. This isn't to say that it was wrong to expose certain things, just I would rather be a bit careful about it. It's a bit complicated.

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In one post, there has been an accusation saying that Aiya is as bad as Zrcalo, and the only claims of reasoning I've seen was that Aiya was said to be promoting zoosadism and "grooming" (I'm really skeptical of this one, which at one point later down here might show my reasoning). The other reasoning was that this person was 'talking' to a specific person and had some kind of manipulation similar to Zrcalo.

I have to disagree. Zrcalo did a LOT of things such as doxxing victims, likely 'orbiting' a minor, and so much more. In this involving Aiya, all I'm likely seeing is possibly a solicitation of likely a lesser thing (that I am unclear of, it doesn't show a lot of context), a mere talk with a specific person (which isn't really an offense if I recall right) and some kind of possible attitude with emotion which is probably nowhere near as bad as Zrcalo. I think it's unfair to use this to suggest that he's equally as bad considering Zrcalo did so much more worse things. The reason why I cared about this is because Aiya is a teenager who is still underdeveloped, was groomed (I think), and while a victim still has the possibility of being an abusive person alone, that still doesn't change that this is likely falsely accusing him to get more and more people to hate such person. I think that's not a really good way of dealing with a person that needs professional treatment. Remember too, just because he's guilty of something doesn't mean we should be abusive about it.

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During another part of TransphobicLss, there was some accusation against something as "grooming" when it likely isn't. One of them involved making r*pe jokes involving minors. It was a bit hard to tell if the person was literally saying that it's grooming by itself. The person also likely suggested that it wasn't "Adult Swim" humor because not even Adult Swim makes blatant jokes like this (I can somewhat agree that yes, it's too far too). There was also a claim maybe that it wasn't even a joke... However this person did something that further suggested that making a joke about p*dophilia around minors is the same as grooming and even went on to liking a Tweet arguing that 'Adult Swim humor' cannot be shown to kids (during a topic of people that was included in 14-17) with a very bad poor argument saying that kids go to bed too soon as an attempt to justify that a program that partly allows minors 14 and up is exclusively to adults.

https://twitter.com/TransphobicLss/status/1617260949949546496 

The Tweet that was liked in question...

This in my opinion was one of those most silliest and dangerous things I've ever heard (mainly the tweet TransphobicLss liked). Why do I care, even though I even found the exact jokes too far too and knowing Zrcalo is still a bad person? Because it's extremely concerning to call something that many adults do online and on certain shows a "groomer" for this. This is sort of equivalent to calling a parent a "groomer" because they let their 15 (or even 12) year old watch an episode of Family Guy. Not only that, but Adult Swim is not only mainly TV 14, so many minors actually usually stay up until 12 AM and Adult Swim can even be accessed mostly any time on the official app. There are even many parents that let many teenagers watch it. I'm pretty sure I was one of the kids that were allowed to watch it. I am not going to call my parents "groomers" because of that... The creators of say, Family Guy knows that many teenagers will see their show (which even has p3dophile jokes in it) as they likely know about this, intentionally lowers the age rating with some censorship, and still proceeds to publish it.

To say that someone making an "Adult Swim humor" style joke without actually being into minors* in front of 16 year olds, is committing predatory behavior, is not only insanely ridiculous but this is exactly the same as accusing thousands and thousands of creators who didn't feel like they needed to censor strictly their lawful media knowing certain ages will likely see it. It can be debatable whether one thing can be 'appropriate' or not for some ages to see, but to force an overly strict idea and then accusing someone as predators or "groomers" over something like that, is morally questionable... There are so many people online who were following content strictness rules and law but didn't act as strict, and to argue they are predators because they didn't feel like they needed to limit some of their stuff as 18+ only when the rules and law didn't require that is a bit too far. Also there is PG-13 certain movies, T-rated certain games too. Even certain MA 17 games... Are the creators of those predators too by default? Are the parents who suggested one of these a predator? *Note: This is more scenario. Zrcalo might actually be into actual minors. This is strictly more focused as a separate point.

Maybe making an Adult Swim "style" (e.g. Herbert careful sensitive joke?) joke in front of 16 year olds might be considered too far by many? I don't know and maybe I need to know, but I do believe there is a very big difference between someone who mentioned a debate, joke, or maybe somewhat adult desire, lightly mentioning sex as a topic without restricting it to 18+ and not caring if minors will see it, than someone who is actually attracted to minors and is trying to act s*xually in front of them for pl*asure reasons or trying to meet them. If it really turns out that it's too far all this time involving people who were never attracted to children, then can we please at least just not treat these people like they are a threat to children over it? A parent who let a 7 year old watch Family Guy could improve but still shouldn't be treated like an actual predator for it still.

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In another post, there was strange arguments about a specific company (*** Dragon) that makes certain products and while I don't remember seeing that this person went against a such company, I still want to say that it's ridiculous to go after many furries who purchased some of these because of moral panic feelings about zo*philia or one of the creators. I don't know if this deserves a highlight, but I guess I'll allow it.

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I think I remembered something else but I can't remember so I'll just mention that there may have been an accusation of someone by claiming the person was dating a minor like the person was a p3dophile. At first it sounds reasonable, but then it was said there was a two-year age gap, which isn't p3dophilia... I also heard the person made a specific topic too open, but I don't think that's evidence of a person by definition being p3dophilie. Remember, a parent technically exposing a 7 year old to an episode of Family Guy (while that is too far because of rating requirement) was more of a stupid action, and can be something shamed, but that doesn't justify treating the parent like they are automatically a p3dophile who can't see their kids anymore...

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Whenever I see the "canceling" side of furry. I have often seen a lot of questionable things so far. I have an extreme hatred to a lot of the culture as a lot of that part of furry has often gone too far and prefer a socialist style fandom. Some even going against four-legged anthropomorphic animals doing smut because of LEGS while still supporting something being exactly the same psychological nature (It's either all that or not), but I can probably still see some good in this account despite some mixed feelings, so I won't exactly view this as one of those accounts (like the account that partly "exposed" KaimTime for having some 'feral' NSFW account), for now...

I wish this person could stop coming up with weird moral ideas because I think stuff like that is what drives concerning specific individuals away. I feel like this person overly exposes people, likes terribly and dangerous Tweets, and heard this person wanted people in prison over a victimless fictional specific outlet (I mean yeah, it's concerning but prison for victimless is still too far). I also think the person needs to be careful about how they handle bad people directly other than what I already mentioned. At the moment, I won't entirely give up on this individual(s), but I'm not sure how long that will last.

I also want to suggest someone in that account to make a better and lawful document on Zrcalo bringing up very big highlights that are for sure, predatory behavior, including the doxxing thing, death wishing, promotion of suicide (was even to a victim I think), and probably some other very serious stuff. If the r*pe jokes need to be brought up, I would rather show concern if the person is being so serious with it in some way or share the argument that it's not appropriate to explicitly make jokes like that in front of minors (because like I said, I do believe that went too far in another way). Right now the account is a big mess. Many of the very serious stuff is usually being buried. I would rather have a nice clean and lawful document (it would be a nutshell maybe in comparison) re-exposing a lot of the horrible stuff.

Maybe I'm missing a few points and I don't mind a healthy debate here. Disclaimer: I don't think I am a friend of Zrcalo, or Aiya, not that it matters. Sometimes I find some random stories online and might notice some interesting things.

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