WARNING: For adults only.
Apologies for any incorrect info and I do argue to respect the law.
NOTE: I hate fascism. It's disgusting.
This is mainly meant to argue against a message that seemingly include people with mere specific thoughts or for lawfully spreading it, as by definition, it's possible to LAWFULLY COMBAT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS with NON-VIOLENCE. Because of this, disagreeing with the dangerous broad message does not logically mean defending Nazis getting away with fascism.
THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT AGAINST LEGALIZED SELF-DEFENSE...
I would sympathize if the message was only talking about the WWII Nazis who were attempting their crimes, and/or similar enough, however this is a more modern world (?) and the label "Nazi" may have expanded and some furries admitted to wanting people assaulted for mere beliefs alone (which is possible to control), which naturally means the old saying might not exactly work as "perfectly".
Plus even if the "violence is not an answer" was involving war sometimes, that still might not intend to allow fascism and other bad stuff to take over the country as it's possible sometimes a response in a war could go too far. For example: "They've should of arrested that guy who was responsible for 9/11 if it was possible instead of killing him which might perpetuate vigilante revenge in society."
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"Violence is not the answer!" has always been a debate for a while, and even sometimes is debatable in war itself if I recall right, but some furries seem to be ignorant of that and seems to supports harassment to those that has the similar mindset of such idea, even to the point of violence which I will explain further down here...
The furry fandom is almost the worst thing to ever exist in this world, considering it's filled with vigilante delusions. The furry fandom seems to have this third-world limited mindset where they prefer violence as an answer in wrongful cases. Recently some furry wrote down a message requiring people to tick a box saying that it's always morally correct to punch a Nazi. A person who saw that stood up against the possible vigilante idea and rationally pointed out the fact that it's political (because that is a political opinion by definition) and said that violence shouldn't be an answer.
The furry ended up trying to call out the reaction in a Twitter (of course) thread where many dangerous delusional ideas went. Some argued that it's always self-defense, and doesn't care about law. Some believe it's even not political. Some also believes that anyone who disagrees is also a "Nazi". So that means that if I call out vigilante violence toward someone who has fascist beliefs where the violent reasoning is because of the beliefs itself while the person isn't acting out, then I would too be considered a "Nazi" even though that is incorrect. That also means that these types of furries are advocating physical assault to people who merely disagrees and reason lawfully (this attitude seems to sound fascist itself actually). A person in the war was also sort of "canceled" for calling out the hypocrisy of advocating illegal violence by some other furries.
This issue is an example of a fandom that further proves lack of civility and intelligence. These people in the fandom seem to forget, or refuse to believe, in the fact that there are better civil ways to deal with certain "Nazis". If someone is a "Nazi" but isn't actually attacking and isn't planning to, then clearly that is an example of someone who likely has rights to not be assaulted, and if you disagree with that, then you may need to be properly investigated by law. There is evidence that some of these "Nazis" don't act out on it illegally (if I'm assuming the term right of course), and if you can't see the difference between that, then you need to get proper treatment. This attitude some of these furries have are the same type of attitude that would falsely accuse someone as supporting what an awful criminal does just because that someone doesn't agree with the perverted idea that these people "deserve" to be beaten up in prison. As some might know, I am against the "death penalty" in the USA partly because I find it hypocritical, but that doesn't mean I agree with what the person did.
While it's true that fascism is bad, it's also true that stooping down to a low level by violently attacking someone just for having beliefs alone (which is not the same as victimizing by just having them) is also bad. It's clearly possible to fight against such awful belief with lawful activities (such as calling it out lawfully). Of course, some Nazis do try to attack and I would care less about punching them out of actual self-defense morally, however it's also true not every single "Nazi" does attack and to say that punching them is "always" self-defense regardless if this is out of the claim that "all Nazis" are trying to illegally act or some other belief, is morally debatable and dangerous.
It's clear this type of subject is the type of subject where many people seem to prefer to turn off their brain, which isn't what a first world society does. One can't claim one isn't a Nazi when you support vigilante violence as an answer for someone having mere thoughts alone, or using it as revenge. You are not properly fighting against fascism by engaging in vigilante violence for thought alone. Also if you support calling someone a Nazi to the public just because the person doesn't find violence as the answer in specific parts, and you believe Nazis should be punched, then you are advocating physical assault on someone for not agreeing with you about the topic of violence, which is clearly not okay.
Special Update: Due to a certain someone becoming a victim of false accusation, this only further proves my point. The fact that some of this furry fandom has stooped this low proves how entirely screwed up it became. These people in the fandom do not deserve to be labeled as people with "good" morals when they stoop down to such a low level, especially when they falsely accuse non-Nazis as "Nazis" just because they believes in "violence is not the answer." in certain scenarios. The fact that this childish fandom went this low, proves my entire point as to how this fandom clearly lost it's morals almost entirely. Many there claim "love and tolerance" (sort of) but then proceed to stoop down to levels of revenge when dealing with some people, this issue in general, and maybe now even to the point of wanting to assault people just for a different opinion (the thing in this topic) that isn't intended to defend certain things like Nazism. They, after all, likely is the same fandom that is responsible for fueling certain criminals to react negative to getting proper treatment (which counts as enabling them to abuse more living creatures) as they have no understanding of psychology. End of Special update
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| Two furries that are actually acting sane (related to someone else BTW). |
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Two Different People Examples
Someone lawfully shares certain fascist like beliefs against certain fictional anthropomorphic characters, and tries to ruin people's lives by heavy but lawful public call-outs with many supporters. What should happen to said person? The answer: Lawfully fighting it in certain ways. Have better policy on lawful websites, lawful speech against it.
A fascist breaks into a certain party that forbids people like the person and starts attacking people. The answer: If punching morally reasonable enough to fight back to protect the people, then it's morally justified. If security can make it in time to take out the Nazi then that is justified instead but if punching happened anyway out of honest and reasonable thought then it might be forgiven.
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There is no evidence "every" Nazi is engaging in illegal activity.
Disagreeing with the perverted message does not make you a Nazi and nobody has a right to label you such thing unless you fit the definition of "Nazi".
Some of these people might have different kinds of beliefs and are trying to lawfully share them.
It's not lawful to punch someone without their consent for a mere belief and/or trying to lawfully spread such beliefs if possible. Immoral violence should not be normalized. Anyone that does anyway should be arrested for it, just like any other unjustified violence.
Even if a Nazi with a belief were to act out on it in the long term, if
could be possible for the police to arrest the person before it's too
late assuming legally possible, or other lawful ways maybe. It's possible some attempted crime can
be caught without resorting to violence This is not to discourage legally self-defense by the way, this is just another separate point for very special scenarios.
The idea that all of them (if this includes what I assume it includes) should be violently attacked is a political belief because the idea that vigilante violence should be allowed is an opinion about people in the country(s). If political is still too much, it still remains a debatable opinion.
If the term "Nazi" in their eyes were only including those who were actively attacking people then I might be on board (depends I think).
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Article might get updated.
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