Saturday, May 14, 2022

Jacob B. Drama Deal Main Thing

Special Note: Other than this added note, this is a newer edited version of the deal. Usually to make this easier and to maybe clarify I think. I asked first too. Special Note Done

  I am not expecting this to even really work out, especially since I've tried to make or accept deals in the past only to find out that one deal didn't get accepted and to find out one deal got violated from the other person. Won't mention who though. I also want to stress that I'm not having some type of "anxiety" over this. I just want to mainly see if this works, and probably because I was bored.


Also there was a topic about Channeleven and MrSquiggles dealing with this I think, however due to the amount of time waiting, I think it's best to deal with that separately, or added on this page if possible.

Main Message

To be clear, the only reason why I was mentioning Jacob B. a lot, was because he couldn't let go of me. In one example in recent times, I caught him talking crap involving me on a random video against me, including by talking to a random commenter on it. At another recent point I've caught him side-mentioning me on another website toward my friend. On yet, even more recently, I've found him letting that MrSquiggles person know that I've made an article partly about him where I exposed his harassment and bullying toward me (which I partly explained of), and even supported a tumblr filled with some porn, including some very disgusting porn, in which were being used against me. Older times he kept mentioning me, and contacting me with certain alternative accounts (even after blocking some of them) in the older past as well, and couldn't leave me alone on certain places such as Flayrah, F**Affinity, and some other websites. If he wasn't doing this to me, and wasn't harassing people I know, then I don't think I would of bothered mentioning him. He has a life he can enjoy, that doesn't have to involve interfering with other people's lives involving innocent activity, and he could of chose that instead of having focused against us instead. The chance to go in that direction is still there I think, so let's try to go for that.

In this deal, there are some things that isn't required. In terms of opinions, we don't have to agree with our opinions on animated movies, we don't have to agree with our opinions about how criminals should be treated through legal prisons, and we don't have to agree with our opinions about whether what furry certain interest each of us like is wrong or not. We don't even have to agree with a lot of other opinions too. Note that this is about merely agreeing/disagreeing alone. I will still, for example, likely support being against cruel and unusual punishment for many criminals. We are just not going to "force" each other to have the same 'opinion', intending to mean, in thought, on these matters. We don't even need to have to say an apology to each other.

Anyway I'm going to try to make terms of this agreement and have it as mutual as possible.

Requirements

Mentioning Part

We must avoid mentioning each other except for what's in The Non-Requirements Thing somewhere in this article. That applies to direct and indirect. Except for the one exception, we shall not mention our names publicly and non-publicly. This includes going to some topic involving me and mentioning me there and/or talking to a random person to mention me as a way to get such person to hate me, like what maybe happened on that video uploaded by a TheDarkReindeer fan. This mentioning thing includes communication possibilities through like Flayrah, DeviantArt, emailing, and many other communication places. This mentioning thing also includes physical locations.

Just in case 'mentioning' does not include contacting, then we must also not contact each other through certain places such as private contacting, public profiles such as DeviantArt, YouTube, __kBunny, __rAffinity, and many other profiles, and real life. The exception thing here for 'mentioning' applies here too. The '__' is a censoring thing I did. It applies to what was intended to be replaced.

Other than that one exception, we shall also avoid being too specific without direct mentioning (e.g. "There is a certain DeviantArt user who sometimes defends an Alpha and Omega scene and defends the idea that criminals have human rights too.").

The Bullying* Part

While I doubt I was bullying in this drama, and regardless if some of these counts as mentions or not, we shouldn't be bullying each other. No public or private shaming, no insults, and/or no other bullying of individuals living their life in an innocent way. This includes avoiding bullying someone for marrying 'fictional characters' (e.g. telling the person that he's wasting his life for it.).

This is mainly referring to people I know as friends. I still argue don't do that to less related even though that might not exactly be part of this deal.

*This could be subjective, but hopefully one sees what I'm trying to say here.

We Must Respect Our Rights, Ethically and Legally

For example, I am allowed to disagree with many points I don't agree with (e.g. over some review of a lawful movie). I know it depends how one disagrees, though I assume some people seem to have an issue with me making things like this, or that for example. To be clear, you can disagree with my points in those stamps alone if you want. The thing I was talking about is being so-called "called out", like I did a bad thing just by making certain stuff like those two examples, and to me, I found such attempt at calling out non-respectful to our rights.

Another example is respecting our right to enjoy lawful media content, and to let us defend many stuff within those. Even if one finds such media "bad", "mediocre", or any other certain arguments. Reminder that me defending Alpha and Omega specific scenes isn't stopping one from enjoying one's life lawfully, and if one doesn't like the movie and/or certain scenes in it, then I suggest simply don't watch the movie and/or those scenes.

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Basically a lot of what's listed sometimes might count as a mention anyway.

The Non-Requirements Thing

As already mentioned, we don't have to agree with our views. We don't have to make sure one or the other 'agrees' with a point alone. If a close one had a religious belief I strongly don't agree with, I'm not going to automatically cut away from the person just because of the religious belief, even if I don't agree with it.

We don't have to state an "apology". It would be nice though as long as good, though of course not exactly required.

We don't have to avoid talking or avoid contacting and/or mentioning each other if it's reasonably about this deal, required to talk to each other required by law authority, and/or law reporting. I also don't mind casually talking to each other if we were to agree on something typically random, but I recommend we avoid that part. Merely private mention to an outside party outside is fine if it's following the same rules earlier in this paragraph. Technical broad indirect included mentioning alone doesn't violate this deal. Example, "I don't like Alpha and Omega fans." is fine. "reasonably about this deal" is intended to mean wondering about the deal in certain ways, like saying for example: "Wonder if he will follow through? I hope he follows the deal.". "Another-Realm is a furry loser incel but I hope the deal follows" is an example that is not alright.

I don't think we have to delete certain specific stuff mentioning us. e.g. (that one blog article. That one hate art video.), despite that, we must obviously (as mentioned already I think) avoid making more of it, including any further promoting activity toward them. Exceptions of this: Law reporting and/or working to help stop crime. Promoting the deal article here is fine. Looking in certain stuff even if it gains a view is likely fine (I'm trying to make this this easier).

Calling out friends for harassment and/or other bad thing(s)*. E.g. calling out a hate video uploaded by what may be a friend of the people that is part of this deal. So like if your friend harasses me and/or calls me a "wolf f***er" all because I liked furry v*re of some anthropomorphic wolf, I'm still going to call that out as victims have a right to lawfully stand up for themselves, even if they were not perfect themselves in past. I can't avoid speaking out against something that harms, and/or tries to harm me.

*Bad thing(s) is intended to mean stuff like going against people enjoying harmless and non-threatening content such as lawful p*rn (e.g. lawful feral porn assuming possible), publicly shaming people for defending a lawful movie, falsely accusing people, death threats, death wishing, threatening illegal activity, witch-hunting against the right to exist online, and/or any other thing that ethically and/or illegally disrespects our rights.

Checking out certain pages of us, especially if it's to check on each other to make sure the deal is followed.

Accidentally doing what's forbidden on this deal doesn't violate the deal.

Of course there are likely a lot of things not listed here not required. I guess this stuff is closer to being about being clear and has one main thing where there are exceptions involving the mention and another thing involving the accidentally thing, for both of us of course.

That One Callout Article

I've said in the past that I'm not so sure about deleting that, but mentioned I could save it as draft. Due to worrying about losing some feedback, I think the drafting thing isn't the best idea, however I believe that 'editing' the page by replacing it all with a message about why might work. That way I can still keep some of the feedback on it and if things don't work out, I can restore it maybe.

Though this isn't a clear promise. Basically I think that it's something that could be earned. If Jacob B. decides to private the videos toward me (though I don't much care about them currently existing alone), and showed some regret to a lot of the things he's done, then I'll have more likelihood to do it. If this deal gets accepted by Jacob B., then I will at least likely make a note of it on that one article.

I'm still worried about changing it to hide that main thing as I fear I could be indirectly aiding a possible future of bad behavior by hiding it. So I might do it when I get good faith, but it might be a while. If I do see Jacob victimize yet another person or tries to go after an already known victim, I might have to bring it back up.

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Anyway, that's the deal with some commentary attached. It's partly about stopping the mentioning drama. I suggest forgiveness if something here was violated only if it's more of a misunderstanding. There might be some cases that if done on purpose, a chance of re-doing the deal might be open but it's no promise. This deal will activate if I see acceptance of such deal coming from the other person.

There is no intention to be breaking the law with this article. Any error damaging the purpose of this deal can be dealt with appropriately.

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    1. I agree with the deal but, Mistersnakebite/Destinys_Failure/Andrew Taylor should've NEVER involved himself between our feud. This shows that he's doing what AL did to me: monitoring me. Also, the fact that he won't tell me why he thinks i'm a "Neo-Nazi skinhead" and why he won't tell me how he found my hometown is suspicious as hell, especially the latter. He must have a VPN blocker and probably found my dox. That's a speculation by the way.

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    2. Tribond, I'm not monitoring you. It's not the sort of thing I'd do. More to the point, I don't care enough to do that.
      Look, if you're willing to listen, I'll tell you why I think you're a far-right goon. You just have to promise there will be no tantrums, no insults, no threats. You have to be civil.

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    3. I am willing to listen but what tantrums am I throwing? Just because I respond with a long paragraph doesn't mean I'm throwing a tantrum. What insults am I throwing? Also, what threats??? May I need to remind you that 3 times you made the whole "I know where you are" threats? If you're not monitoring me, why did you randomly left a comment on one of the blogs talking about me here? Hmmm? Lastly, I am being civil. Sorry that I'm speaking my mind

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    4. I googled your name on a whim. If I was monitoring you, I would've been here quite a lot sooner.
      Honestly, if it sounded like I was making threats, I wasn't. I got your IP address, the only thing I can get from that is your general location.
      Anyways, firstly, what threats have you made?
      'word of advice: learn to mind your own business and stop being nosey, it will save your life.' That can be construed as a threat.
      Insults? For a start, you use the word 'leftist' like it's meant to be an insult. You compare me to Galaxy like it's meant to be some sort of insult.
      And as for the tantrum? I'm saying that because a lot of what you're saying reads like it's being typed by an edgelord with a few maturity problems. 'Don't say I'm a "overly dramatic incel" nor saying I don't respect women. You don't know me IRL nor you ever will.' That's the one that made me think you're throwing a tantrum. You keep bringing that one up, for some reason, even though I called you that originally two years ago.
      Look, you want this to end, I want this to end, I owe you nothing, and the only thing I really want out of this is you, gone. I want this drama over. The shit between me and you, you and Jesse, you and Galaxy, you and bloody everybody you're in some sort of drama with, it needs to end. So I have some revised terms: If you want this to end, do what I did in the original mess between you, me, Galaxy, Delta and Zed: Take your ball and go home. Somebody says something bad about you? Bollocks to them. That's all you have to do. Trust me on this one, it's a weight off your mind. It was to mine back then.

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  2. I'm afraid that once accepted, I cannot bother to agree with these additional arguments or bother with them. Sadly I got a feeling this urge of having this argument already violates it as I assume you're arguing me on this. So in case it is violated, I'm willing to give it a go again judging by the situation.

    For the part about the other person, I have my own opinions on it and I I think I tried to give maybe some out earlier. I think in my opinion, if you do let go of him, he would as well. I know he made some additional requirements (and even I sort of agree that I don't think you can do much about that ED page, unless maybe there is?) but I got a feeling if you just let go of these arguments involving him, he won't need to bother focusing on you actively. Checking each other's certain profiles is a bit difficult but I assume just checking certain profiles doesn't really cause negativity alone sometimes.

    Maybe I can encourage him to remove the ED thing if you can't do anything about it. And replace the doctor thing as a extra requirement of just getting better, though I would focus on a mutual mentioning thing similar here. But in the end here, I would probably just stay out of this beyond it regardless if my idea works or not. Do you want me to hold off the deal longer so this can get sorted first?

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    1. Odd this was meant to be a reply. I assume you'll see this Cantstopwontstop00.

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    2. I'm sorry but, I can't take down said ED page. He'll have to talk to the admins. I'm sorry but that's what happens when you involve yourself in drama he had no business in. The fact that he did it again shows that it's a on-going problem of his and I've ready his latest comments on the last blog, how am I making threats, rambling, being melodramatic, etc.? I'm just speaking my mind and if he can't handle it then it's not my problem. He should also learn not to label people Nazis with no proof. That's what far leftist, SJW lunatics do. I find it humorous that he thinks I'm alt-right even though I only voted Republican once. He doesn't know me like that, nor he ever will. Thank God I can put this behind me. God, was he a pain I'm the arse to deal with. Oh and I don't take his weak threats of finding out my hometown seriously, I do have family that has/had/have served in the military/police force. I don't think he wants to continue with that threat.

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    3. You know what? Nah, don't hold off the deal. I've made my statements/points. Sure you can encourage him to remove said page but even if you're successful, the page is already archived, so, he's fucked from the get go

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    4. What I think I mean is that if the deal is activated, it's going to be really hard to deal with both of you guys especially with my approval system. That's why I suggest we delay accepting it so I can easily go through with the moderation system and/or if I need to talk with him if I need to. Also I forgot something I think (explained a little under).

      Please don't expect me to agree with your points about him (so I guess one thing I care about is to avoid expectations that wasn't agreed upon).

      But anyway I noticed you already commented on my profile. Nothing offensive in it, but I am not sure if that's approved. Though just now looking at it, I may have forgot to use the words "contacting" or something that means that. Part of the goal was to let go of each other mainly. You don't mind if I include that right? That means I will update the deal to make sure this mentioning thing includes 'contacting' just in case I really forgot to include it.

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    5. No, the deal isn't off, I just don't want this to go on for too long oh and I've showed MrSquiggles, Channeleven and JaredTheFox this blog, Channeleven and JaredTheFox has responded. I commented on your profile because you asked how someone left behind a comment on your profile despite the comments at the time being disabled

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    6. Any progress so far? Oh and Jaredthefox92 is not going to participate through this, in fact he told me he wants nothing to do with this

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    7. Well do you mind if I update this deal real fast to further add the 'contacting' part and maybe a promotion to this deal as a possibly (so I don't have to worry about this part)? It will automatically be accepted if you agree with this. Won't be hold off.
      Once it's done, I may have to just not bother approving comments involving anyone else since it's hard to deal with sometimes.

      I didn't check it yet. I'll check it out.

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    8. And for the comment, yeah I know I think. Just that I don't think you needed to. Nothing offensive about it, just kinda odd in the current situation I think. lol

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    9. Oh yeah I need to update the promoting thing, to be more about showing moral support to it or something like that. So the contacting clarifying thing, the promoting what already exist thing (to be more specific intending to make it easier). Don't remember if there was another thing, but either way after updating it, it will automatically activate so we won't have to delay it for a while.

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  3. I updated it. I should note that I feel like I might have technically screwed up by promoting this article view wise, but then again I don't know if I did. Either way I wanted to fix it, and is applied automatically. If other party wants to message me specifically about this, I am fine.

    If still accepted, then I want to say this, I'm afraid I can't approve, except for the exception thing, comments coming from anyone mentioning the other party. Any separate drama happening here is something I may want to stay out of. I will only be open to approving certain if I get separate permission (which I might apply to the deal later on with auto-acceptance after with the same rule) from the other party.

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    1. Hopefully so. To anyone reading, this message is strictly about the concern of this deal. There is no statement about the other drama here.

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    2. If there's any other drama I'm staying the fuck out of it. I've been involved with enough.

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  5. Excuse me, wwwarea/Another-Realm but, is there a reason why your friend, Hardinal is responding to my OLD COMMENTS from nearly 2 YEARS AGO from Flayrah? I saw that he made his account yesterday. Did we not agree to leave each other alone? I know about this about I forgot I had notifications on from Flayrah. I've kept my word and didn't even bother y'all. Please talk to Hardinal and tell him to stop responding to old comments of mine and tell him to move on from Bobsheaux, Ravenfox and TheDarkReindeer, they're old topics. Thank you

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  6. Oh and the comments in question are here(yeah I did respond to Hardinal AFTER he commented on my old comments: https://www.flayrah.com/5582/alpha-and-omega-3-great-wolf-games-marks-effort-animation-still-needs-work
    https://www.flayrah.com/5505/review-alpha-and-omega-2-howl-iday-adventure
    https://www.flayrah.com/5880/review-alpha-and-omega-legend-saw-tooth-cave
    https://www.flayrah.com/7480/toast-rabbit-aka-rainhopper-roo-sentenced-70-months-child-pornography

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    1. Hey sorry for missing the comments here.

      By default I think the deal between me and you was just me and you if I remembered right. It's quite possible he was included (my memory is a bit blurry here). I think I know the reason but I personally wanted to stay out of it for what may be obvious. I don't remember if he stated the reason publicly however, so I might need permission first to explain what it was.

      Though I do think it's not really necessary to dig those comments back up myself actually.

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  7. Yeah, but I thought, Hardinal and I agreed to leave each other alone, I did my part, Hardinal couldn't resist responding to my old comments I left on Flayrah towards you. So much for him moving on from people he don't like. Please, talk some sense into him

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